I wrote this for people who are thinking of coming off the pill, or are finding it hard going.

Coming off BCP was the best thing I've done in years. I had been taking it since I was 17, I noticed my libido eventually died. I had started to wonder where my personality had gone. Before I often cried to music, and was very moved by things generally like chairty adeverts on tv. But I would get great highs as welland some mornings I would get a glowy buzz (now I regognize that as a testosterone & dopmaine high).

Then I took birth control. I noticed over a three year period my personality flattened. I never wanted sex, didn't masturbate for months and months at a time, and basically becmase very, very asexual. When I masturbated, it took at least 45mins to get me to orgasm, and that's with heavy stimulation (no vibrators though). When I did have an orgasm, it was awful - barely anything. Just a second or two of mild contrations that were alittle bit nice. I used to wonder if I would ever get my old orgasms back. And my sexual fantasies revolved around lesbian sex, even though I had never fancied a woman before.

Then I came off the pill.....and what a roller coster! The first two moths were very hard. Sometimes I felt so flat emotionally I was like a zombie - I felt nothing at all on some days. Then the second month I was off it I went from being a zombie to thinking I was manic depressive!!! I started to question my sainity as I would go from being very depressed to being incredibly happy in the space of 30mins for no reason at all.

Over time my libido has returned, but is still weak sometimes. Fish oil seems not to have a sexual effect on me, it infuences my mood more. Sometimes I have 2 months of being sex mad, then 2 months of being frigid! There seems to be no pattern sometimes. My orgasms are sooooooo much better. I am 21, and now my orgasms are stronger than what they were when I was 14. It can take as little as 5 mins sometimes whilst looking at porn , with no vibrator. I've also had vaginal orgams, but they don't happen that often,

I am NOT saying the pill makes people bi-sexual, but not my lesbian fantasies have dissapeared. They revolve around penises now hehe Their shape, what the do..... Sorry....getting carried away there.

I also notice men's bodies a lot more, and fancy more men. Emotionally it's been a turn-around in a big way. I am now my old self. Actually I ma even better. I get so high on some days, close to ovulation, I actually think I'm on drugs! I get so happy, so full of utter bliss, I get overwhelmed. I never knew someone could be too happy! I'm now much more sentimental, and lovey. I nearly cried in the supermarket the other day thinking of how much I love my boyfriend! I was never interested in babies before, and I'm still not interested in having a family right now, but now my heart melts when I see a new-born. A real yearning. I never used to feel like this!

I'm pretty sure the penis thing has to do with my diet.

Thank you for that. That's what I've been trying to say too--I think the more women who speak out, the better. The Man has been sticking it to us for too long, we have a right to our own natural sexuality. There are other forms of birth control.

Ha! Really! All I know is every time my libido rises, and is healthy, I just get penis obsessed! Seriously! My boyfriend has to wave me away like a fly! It's part of the reason my lesbian fantasies went away....I'd be like....you have no penis!!!! Noooooooooooo! Even though my boyfriend is seriously retarded sexually in some ways (remember the sexual health forums), he does keep himself squeeky clean

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Originally posted by Titania:
Then I came off the pill.....and what a roller coster! The first two moths were very hard. Sometimes I felt so flat emotionally I was like a zombie - I felt nothing at all on some days. Then the second month I was off it I went from being a zombie to thinking I was manic depressive!!! I started to question my sainity as I would go from being very depressed to being incredibly happy in the space of 30mins for no reason at all.

I quit HBC after one year of Microgynon 30 and four months of Yasmin, and GOD- this is bad! Since 4/5 days my body seems to realize it really is not getting pills anymore and I feel like going insane. I have headaches, constant dizzyness, I'm so freakin' TIRED all the time I can barely keep myself awake, I sleep extremely much, I think very slowly, can't concentrate on anything, I have to force myself to eat, because everything seems not tasty enough and I'm just not getting hungry! If I eat noting for a day I'll probably only be more dizzy, but not hungry. And the one moment I'm a I-don't-give-a-shit-about-anything-whatsoever-Zombie and the other moment I feel depressed and sad and and just really really BAD. (not in a bad-girl good way) I would do anything to get it to stop!

What enhances the coming-off-the-pill proces? Testosterone? Xzite? 5-HTP? Vitamin A? Asperin? Any ideas? I'd love someone's opinion about this.

I also have to say the symptoms got way worse when I started training. My sport is korfball, similar to baskettball but outside on a bigger field, and the trainings are pretty intense. I went so dizzy and weird in my head my teammates noticed and made me stop and sit down. They said I acted like a drunk person, I couldn't walk a straight line.

I at wholegrain macaroni before the training and drank enough water in my opinion. Since that training everything just got worse. I'm actually convinced this had either something to do with the fish-oil or with me coming off the pill.

Does anyone have an idea? I'd really appreciate it, so thanks a lot in advance!

My goodness! The first thing I recommend is that you immediately go off of my diet completely for a week to rule that out, to make sure that this is a result of going off hormonal birth control.

Has something similar ever happened to someone on the orgasmic diet?

I'm not sure about the immediately stopping everything about the diet part. What if my body actually is already used to the multivits/cal mag zinc/ iron/fishoil/anti-oxidants and I'll just mess everything up by stopping? Thats possible, isn't it?

I'll cut back from 1800 EPA to 1200 EPA, just in case. I switched brands, like a week ago, Lucovitaal to Minami and kept the same dosage. But thats exactly around the time I should have taken the next HBC pill- if I still was on that, so I cannot rule one of them out.

But I do know that at first the orgasmic diet achived nothing but good results and the pill always caused me trouble. And if its going off the pill, I'm better off taking the fish-oil and my multivits. Right?

I'm going to use asperin if things get too bad and if it takes more than 3 days from now without any improvement, I'll go see my docter.

Sometimes women can feel a little spacey on the diet, in which case you might want to lower the dose, but nothing like what you are describing.

I've just read this now.....and the first thing I thought was 'go and see a doctor!!!!'.

If it is the pill, then for me is takes a while for your own hormones to go back to normal. At first I think your body goes into shock from having that tap of hormones cut off, and then the body may over-compensate when it's trying to kick-start your own hormone production.

For me, more testosterone and more dopamine was a god send. Don't take 5-HTP.

The fact that you think very slowly is giving me a clue about what's happening, but I'm not a doctor. I think some of your neurotransmiters are weak at the moment. The same thing happens when your dehydrated - for me concentration is the first thing to go. Do you find that you read things a lot slower as well?

If it is the neurotransmiters, I would say the fish oil is doing good becuase it's boosting them. I would say you probably need more of both serotonin and dopamine.

I would eat just nice fresh salads and fish. Stay away from carbohydrate rich foods at the moment like jacket potatos becuase they can make the sleepyness worse.

Your blood sugar levels should also be tested.

Allright, so I cut back from 1800 to 1200 EPA but the dizziness still comes on and off. Its less bad now though, I think its gradually wearing off. Good food in normal amounts also helps I guess, I have my appetite back, which is absolutely great. I love food. Well, once again at least.

But I still can't say what is/was responsible; the BCP's or the fishoil. The only way now to be sure is going back to 1800 in ten days or so and see what happens. But I'm pretty sure it were the BCP's because the dizziness comes like moodswings. And the moodswings are gradually getting less too, so I think I'm talking hormones, in which case the effects should get from little to nothing over time.

Besides, I love your diet and I'm not going to acuse it of anything untill proven otherwise

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Originally posted by Titania:
I've just read this now.....and the first thing I thought was 'go and see a doctor!!!!'.

If it is the pill, then for me is takes a while for your own hormones to go back to normal. At first I think your body goes into shock from having that tap of hormones cut off, and then the body may over-compensate when it's trying to kick-start your own hormone production.

For me, more testosterone and more dopamine was a god send. Don't take 5-HTP.

The fact that you think very slowly is giving me a clue about what's happening, but I'm not a doctor. I think some of your neurotransmiters are weak at the moment. The same thing happens when your dehydrated - for me concentration is the first thing to go. Do you find that you read things a lot slower as well?

If it is the neurotransmiters, I would say the fish oil is doing good becuase it's boosting them. I would say you probably need more of both serotonin and dopamine.

I would eat just nice fresh salads and fish. Stay away from carbohydrate rich foods at the moment like jacket potatos becuase they can make the sleepyness worse.

Your blood sugar levels should also be tested.

Hi Titania, thanks for responding! To answer your questions:

Yes, I red also slower for a few days, but that was just because of the lack of concentration. Its hard to read when you cannot concentrate. I have to say things are already way better, but not as better as I want it to be, I still get dizzy and sort of in trance, but after an hour or so, but it comes and goes. And when it goes, I feel perfectly normal again.

The dizziness is similar to when you stand up to fast from the couch or bed. Your like 'whoa... wait a sec' and after a few seconds everything stops dancing in front of your eyes. The only diffrence is that my whoa-moments lasts for an hour or so now. It also comes with the slow thinking and indeed the feeling I'm in trance and going in shock or something. Luckily time seems to fly when I'm dizzy because of the slow thinking. But all of this is getting better now.

I can lessen the effects by eating well and not moving too much. When I start being active my heartrate goes up and I can count on the dizziness.

I have no idea about my blood sugar, but my bloodpressure is almost too low. If that helps. I already take extra iron because I feel weak during my (heavy) menstruation and occasionally liquorice and Oolong thea. The last two are not advised for people with high blood pressure, so I thought it would be good for me Plus, I like it.

Serotonin and dopamine? How can I get that, besides exersizing and eating chocolat? Are there natural ways to boost both of them or do I have to go and see my doctor?

That dizziness might be the fish oil. Fish oil helps lower blood pressure, which for most people is a good thing. But if you are starting out with low blood pressure, you might want to temporarily increase your salt intake and see what happens.

I don't know what did it, but the dizziness is pretty much gone. I'm only still dizzy just before dinertime and breakfast, but eating now solves the problem. I have to say I'm still on only 1096 DHA/ 1286 EPA (minami) so maybe the dizziness increases if I take 1 morEPA capsule more, we'll see.

My old personality starts kicking in, I've been annoying myself listning to my own wining/complaining (which apparently I've been doing for 8 months now) I'm going a bit schizofreen here haha. I finally start to recognize myself again and I feel much more liberated. I can't really pinpoint the change, but everything simply seems brighter now.

And yesterday I was playing a Korfballmatch/game and I was chatting a bit about the weather and if we would get soaked this time. (of course we got soaked its a septembernight in Holland what was I thinking )Korfball is a mixed game, per team 4 guys and 4 girls, plus reserves and out of the blue some fairly hot guys from the other team totally checked me out!

I was a bit startled by it. Not that no one ever checks me out but, the clear eye-contact from one -hot! - guy in particular was pretty new to me so I looked away. (plus I'm in a relationship, I have to look away. But it felt great so I now feel a bit guilty, I shouldn't react to another guys look. Right?) So I was wondering what changed? Are men always checking me out and I never really noticed before, but I do now I'm on the diet, is it just a coincedence, or do they... sense things? I think I ovulated yesterday but they can't subconciously know that? Can they?

Ha ha, okay, so far my subconcious conspiracy theory, I'm going to have my bloodpressure checked, just in case, and then I'll know more.

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I don't know what causes that either, whether a woman just notices the signals that were there all along or whether she herself starts giving out signals that invite that attention, but I think it's the latter.

“..or whether she herself starts giving out signals that invite that attention, but I think it's the latter.”

There seems to be plenty of research to back that up, Marrena. The most striking being a study of girls at a German disco. The less they wore the more likely they were to be ovulating (and away from their regular partners). I cannot find the exact quote, but here is a similar reference:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2372/is_1_41/ai_n6032942

“Recent research has shown that a female's ovulation status may influence her mating strategy,... females' preferences for male facial attributes change as a function of their menstrual phase.

When a female is in her most fertile phase, her preferences shift toward more masculinized faces. ...

The authors interpret their findings as evidence for a conditional mate choice strategy whereby females in a high conception phase of their menstrual cycle exhibit a stronger preference for male facial cues that signal adaptive heritable genetic characteristics, such as immunocompetence.

This shift for different mate preferences at ovulation coincides with an increase in females' self-reported arousal to sexual stimuli ..., peaks in sexual receptivity ..., and an increased amount of attraction to and fantasy about men who are not their primary partners.

It also coincides with an increase in females' extra-pair copulation frequency... and an increase in mate guarding by a primary partner ... findings which suggest a sperm competition theory of double-mating behaviors.”

So – look out for “mate guarding” behaviour from your “primary partner”, Hollie!

[QUOTE]...she herself starts giving out signals that invite that attention... [QUOTE]

Hmm, I was afraid it might be that. It may indeed be the case but... it sounds so cheap. I didn't intent to get that kind of attention -even though now it does not make me feel cheap at all, it makes me feel powerfull and attractive.

Maybe its an old issue. Society Rules vs. Natural Body Mechanics.

I've been taught to feel like its wrong to enjoy male attention. Thats only for the sluts, cheap and sad desperate girls out there, or so is the overall opinion. Maybe I was just raised too conservative, I mean, my dad didn't want me to wear red or other bright coloring. He prefered me going in black to church, with a black head- that kind of conservative. (I'm an atheist now btw )

So if I feel attractive because of the attention, I'm supposed to be all cool about it, as if it doesn't affect me in the least. If thats not the case, I must have a need somewhere and deep down be a cheap girl. Maybe I am, I really don't care, I enjoy it. Maybe its strictly not OK, considering the BF, but I could use the self-esteem.

Besides, he sometimes says he saw other men staring at me, (and by that he didn't mean my nice hair-do) and he sometimes makes them look away. Probably by looking very mad. Haha. Without me noticing that at all! (I only notice if people talk directly to me... or not) So maybe its a bit of both...

I think I red something about this in your book... Do a lot of women experience this attentionawareness/attentiongenerating effect?