Marrena, I am curious as to the differences in male / female orgasms. I know you are familiar with the Aneros for males which stimulates the prostate and perinium simultaneously allowing what are referred to as 'super O's' for guys. This is all new to me, but for some months I have been experiencing this and now can have these for hours on end. In my case almost upon starting I begin feeling orgasmic pleasure which quickly gets very intense. My whole body spasms and shakes for hours during these sessions. Is this common and the same type of orgasms women experience with vaginal orgasms? If so how common is it for women to experience this over such a long period of time? I'm basically just curious about the differences in experience. While none of us can be both male / female and experience both we can take notes and compare.

I am a long-time lurker at the Aneros messageboard. I used to post there with the handle zaneblue. I am quite certain that the sensation of a spontaneous flexing vaginal orgasm corresponds with the Aneros Super-O. I too can have flexing vaginal orgasms for hours on end, with corresponding altered brain state. Other women on my diet who have done the whole thing, including the PC muscle training, report similar results over time. Women naturally have lower dopamine levels than men, so it is harder for us to reach that state without biochemical help.

My diet should help men with Super-O ability. I didn't get much feedback at the board on it, but I had a handful of men try the Aneros and give me feedback who weren't on the board, and they said it made things much easier and more intense.

For the record, I think regular clitoral orgasms correspond to the typical male orgasm, except for the ejaculation sensation. I think they are more like the orgasm a guy has before entering puberty, before the ability to ejaculate is developed--a "dry" orgasm.

I try to keep these extraordinary sexual superpower abilities a little bit on the downlow. First because the idea of it freaks women out--they don't quite know what to make of the idea of being able to have hours-long transcendental sex. Second, because the idea of it freaks men out--they know exactly what to make of the idea of their female partner being able to have hours-long transcendental sex simply by flexing their PC muscles around the man's hard cock.

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I am a long-time lurker at the Aneros messageboard. I used to post there with the handle zaneblue. I am quite certain that the sensation of a spontaneous flexing vaginal orgasm corresponds with the Aneros Super-O. I too can have flexing vaginal orgasms for hours on end, with corresponding altered brain state. Other women on my diet who have done the whole thing, including the PC muscle training, report similar results over time. Women naturally have lower dopamine levels than men, so it is harder for us to reach that state without biochemical help.

Yes, I have recently found some of your posts. I found them very intriguing and informative.

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Originally posted by Marrena: My diet should help men with Super-O ability. I didn't get much feedback at the board on it, but I had a handful of men try the Aneros and give me feedback who weren't on the board, and they said it made things much easier and more intense.

I am aware of some of your diet from the Aneros board and here. I follow a similar regimen but after reading your notes I added dark chocolate. I've been taking fish oil for some time, but the Natrol brand and now I realize it is low in EPA / DHA even for other issues such as heart benefit, etc. I'm going to up the dose, and quality. I currently take fish oil, dark chocolate, calcium, magnesium, zinc, vit C & E, tribulus, ginko biloba, and panax ginseng. I was doing well in sessions before, but after adding dark chocolate, and increasing fish oil I've had mind blowing / altering orgasms. One day my body continued to vibrate for hours, and I was having these orgasms (the same way) in my sleep. It was waking me up and I was a bit afraid because it seemed it was taking me over. I remember reading your comment on kundalini rising, looked it up, and was kind of freaking out about it. Other things going on too...

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Originally posted by Marrena: For the record, I think regular clitoral orgasms correspond to the typical male orgasm, except for the ejaculation sensation. I think they are more like the orgasm a guy has before entering puberty, before the ability to ejaculate is developed--a "dry" orgasm.

Yes, I think that makes a lot of since and I have seen that expressed elsewhere I believe even on wikipedia - see Orgasm (very interesting). I suppose women additionally have contractions in the uterus. Not sure if guys have anything analogous to that.

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Originally posted by Marrena: I try to keep these extraordinary sexual superpower abilities a little bit on the downlow. First because the idea of it freaks women out--they don't quite know what to make of the idea of being able to have hours-long transcendental sex. Second, because the idea of it freaks men out--they know exactly what to make of the idea of their female partner being able to have hours-long transcendental sex simply by flexing their PC muscles around the man's hard cock.

Yes, the whole thing is freaky a bit. I'm completely overwhelmed by intensity. Seems it's addictive nature is taking me over some. And your last statement just sounds delicious. I recall you discussing the various chakras. I now can imagine on some level being with and inside a female while we both simultaneously have these hours long orgasms together. That would be an incredible experience. It seems there would be some higher level of bonding or consciousness take place. Like I say, the thought is just so delicious...wow.

Oh PS, I might add that I haven't read your book yet. I've only recently found out about it, but it sounds fantastic and I think I'll probably have to get it and check it out.

Yes, I have been scolded by tantric practitioners for putting my diet out there like this. I do mention possible tantric side effects near the end of my book, not enough to freak women out, but enough to reassure women who might develop these higher abilities, with resources they can check out.

I frequently have wet dreams, with this ability. One time for some reason I was counting in my dream, and I was able to have 32 orgasms before I woke up. So I know what you are going through. Going through this awakening can be very disorienting.

I would suggest going here:

http://www.taobums.com

There are a lot of men there experienced in this sort of thing, particularly safety measures to control the rate of change. I don't agree with some of their methods, for example I think semen retention for more than two weeks is plain crazy, but they can give you some good advice.

Just try to keep your life going, stay grounded, and realize you have complete control over at least the physiology of the process. You can always stop taking fish oil for a while and let things slow down.

And thanks for the feedback! I really appreciate hearing how my diet affects people's sexuality, and I don't get a lot of feedback about the diet's effect on prostate orgasms.

I must confess I do have this fantasy, that my partner has this ability with the Aneros to have Super-O's for hours, and that we are together on the floor, on futons end to end, with just our foreheads touching, each on our own futon with just our heads together. And we would both have these orgasms for hours, and also that his sixth chakra abilities would match my own, that he could do amygdala popping, and I can receive it.

http://www.neilslade.com/Papers/viewzone/index2.html

Marrena, I mentioned in another thread that I switched brands of Fish Oil yesterday for something more potent. This still isn't my final choice in fish oil, but I couldn't wait for an order to come through the mail at the time.

Anyway, it just seemed to have an immediate effect on me. I took two of the GNC perhaps at 8pm, and I just felt different. Later around 11pm I was getting tired and falling asleep watching tv so I went to bed. I fell asleep, but within about 15 minutes I was woken up. My whole body was quivering with this energy feeling. I could lightly hear my pulse in the back of my head when I had my ear to the pillow. I was getting an erection, and I could feel my pc floor muscles, anus, and prostate moving and contracting on their own. It's kind of like I was a slave. I couldn't turn it off. I began letting it have it's way with me and began having orgasms of varying intensity. They weren't as strong as with the Aneros, but my body was definitely shaking and I was feeling orgasmic pleasure throughout me. This went on for a couple of hours and it was getting late. I had stayed up late the night before so I hadn't really slept much and wanted to go to sleep. I got up, and went to the rest room and tried to let it all calm down, but there really was no turning it off. All night long my body continued the quivering, I was keeping an erection most of the time, and it kept trying to get me to flex my lower internal muscles to start orgasms again, but I just wanted to sleep. I slept in spurts off and on with some sexual type dreams, but I don't think it was very good sleep.

So, this was the second time this happened to me as described in my previous post, but this was much more intense and determined. I am a bit worried about this. I wonder if it is healthy / safe to have these orgasms for such a long period of time, and to a large degree uncontrolled? I remember reading of a woman in the UK that had constant orgasms all the time, and it was kind of a health issue for her. I don't want to break any normal controlling mechanism in my head that regulates this stuff. I wonder if doing this all the time will give me something like Parkinsons disease? Any thoughts? Even now, this morning I took two more fish oil capsules and I still feel energetic and as I sit here typing I am compelled to give in and orgasm more. Likely I will give in in a bit.

What do you know of the safety of such constant, long term orgasms?

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I must confess I do have this fantasy, that my partner has this ability with the Aneros to have Super-O's for hours, and that we are together on the floor, on futons end to end, with just our foreheads touching, each on our own futon with just our heads together. And we would both have these orgasms for hours, and also that his sixth chakra abilities would match my own, that he could do amygdala popping, and I can receive it.

http://www.neilslade.com/Papers/viewzone/index2.html

Thanks, I'll check out your links you posted.

Yummy...I like your fantasy. I will have to learn more about tantric sex. My fantasy is more like I am sitting and my erect penis is inside my partner while she sits facing me in my lap as we stare into each others eyes for hours. Somehow I would control ejaculating, which would probably work as long as the female isn't moving too much. The little I have read of these chakras seems to indicate that it would take at least 40 minutes in a similar position to reach one of the chakras...I forget which - I think it was head (third eye) or heart. But wow, I can imagine it and it seems like such an experience would be something like I've never known...and very wonderful.

Perhaps I would consider assisting you in such endeavors but as I understand you live in Boston, and I live in Austin. Hmm....

Involuntary continuous base chakra orgasms like that are either due to extraordinary sexual stimulation or going through a sort of tantric puberty. Kind of like when a young man's body is ready to have the first ejaculation, the weeks leading up to it are plagued with incessant erections. These base chakra orgasms generate energy that rises up the spine, opening up the other chakras. I think your body is trying to open its chakras.

I had very similar experiences when my chakras opened up, an involuntary barrage of continuous spontaneous vaginal orgasms through the day and night. It's not permanent. I still generally have forty or fifty vaginal orgasms daily and can have flexing orgasms whenever I like, and I often do, particularly during my commute. The involuntary ones for the most part have stopped, except for when something very hot takes me by surprise (I'm a big fan of The Colbert Report).

I think physically I'd be worried if you were having these with a toy inside round the clock, but with your body doing it on its own I don't think it would be physically harmful.

Mentally it's a HUGE adjustment to being orgasmic all the time. I've learned to hide the signs. It's been really hard for me because I've had to be so public about the ability to get word out about the diet. I envy people who can be like this secretly. It makes life awkward, to say the least!

I'd say the first mental adjustment is saying yes to so much pleasure. It's kind of a shock to realize there is this much pleasure in the world, and it can feel rather sinful. But as long as you keep your life together, where's the harm?

The second thing is that if your chakras are opening up, that process usually causes severe emotional strain of one kind or another. It forces a confrontation with emotional issues from the past, and can feel very disorienting and like you are going crazy. Again, if it gets too much, just cut back on the fish oil. Also men have an easy way to get rid of too much sexual energy--just jerk off as much as you can and that will put the brakes on the process, at least temporarily.

Your sex fantasy is the classic tantric sex ideal--the yab yum position. That's good too! Most men have trouble keeping an erection when having a long string of prostate orgasms, but if you are able to do both at the same time, that's very handy!

I spoke with Dr. Irwin Goldstein about women like me. It's more prevalent than you think, and I'm hoping with women trying my diet that it will become commonplace. Dr. Goldstein said that more than half of women who are this way love being like this, feel perfectly healthy, and enjoy the ability tremendously (although of course keeping it secret, as it drives men bananas). The women who have difficulties often have strong religious backgrounds.

I have had this ability now for five years, and I feel fit as a fiddle. Having one's chakras open up and having chakra orgasms does tend to change one's metaphysical world view--this will change you. But physically I think it's perfectly healthy.

I like this guy for tantric sex advice.

The Mysticism of Sex

I think he's a little off on some things and he certainly is goofy, but he gets pretty close.

But anyhow, make sure to get good sleep! Ejaculate several times at bedtime, that should do the trick.

It's funny, with the way I am now I can have second chakra sex with anyone, as casually as a handshake. I am always certain of having mind-blowing sex and multiple orgasms, and basically all I require in a partner is a friendly respect. Heart chakra orgasms require a little more, the man has to have an open-hearted warmth to him, but lots of men have that quality. But I am pretty sure that any sort of sixth chakra sex would only work with one man.

Thanks, that's a great link Marrena.

Hey I have some great news. I was having sex with a female partner the other day, and felt like I had high sexual energy leading up to it. During intercourse I suggested we just try and spend time inside each other for awhile and mentioned tantric sex, and how you can share energy. I was on top for awhile, but her legs got a bit cramped so she then got on top. We continued this for some time - perhaps 30 or 40 minutes. Along the way I noticed every time she flexed her pc and vaginal muscles. It seemed to kind of caress and interact with me in a sucking / pulsing sort of way. It began driving me a bit crazy and I began to orgasm without ejaculating similar to the way I do with the Aneros, or as I mentioned at night sometimes. My breathing intensified and became quicker / shallower and she became more excited too. Along the way I began stroking my left hand down her back and spine. I would begin near the base of her head along her neck, and work my way down to the tops of her buttocks , and there right in the center just along the top of her crack I would do a circle about 2 or 3 inches in diameter. I would spread out my palm and fingers and it seemed as though I could feel and sense her orgasmic energy. I continued this motion as I began to orgasm and as she got more excited. At some point I slid my hand a bit further down her left cheek with my center finger pressing along her crack above her anus. Don't know why I was doing all that, I just sensed that it was right. I pressed down and held it and she began orgasms also. This simultaneous orgasm eventually wound down, and then I continued and we did this two more times together. I just had such an intense, deep desire to press into her and hold her as we shared this energy together. Needless to say it was wonderful, and a bit difficult to describe.

After that was all done, we were both very relaxed, but being used to more traditional sex I requested oral sex. She is wonderful at that, and just has me fading away in bliss as I cum. In retrospect though, I think I should have stopped before the oral sex, and had us both just bask in the glow.

I was reading the link you sent me, and three simultaneous orgasms would be 'First Dan'. It then talks about blackout afterwards. That seems interesting. I wonder if we were about to fade to that? I suspect we would have had to do this act a bit longer for the blackout. Do you have any experience with this blackout?

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I'd say the first mental adjustment is saying yes to so much pleasure. It's kind of a shock to realize there is this much pleasure in the world, and it can feel rather sinful. But as long as you keep your life together, where's the harm?

I agree with the sinful feeling part. Somehow feeling so good just seems a bit wrong. Perhaps it is because of the amount of time and energy I have been spending on it, rather than other things or people.

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Also men have an easy way to get rid of too much sexual energy--just jerk off as much as you can and that will put the brakes on the process, at least temporarily.

I've tried that and it does help, but doesn't shut it down completely when I'm really turned on.

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Your sex fantasy is the classic tantric sex ideal--the yab yum position. That's good too! Most men have trouble keeping an erection when having a long string of prostate orgasms, but if you are able to do both at the same time, that's very handy!

Yes, apparently I can keep an erection while remaining fairly still within a females' vagina for a very long time. The key for me though is to not become over excited from any movement or sensation to the point of ejaculating which can be difficult.

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Originally posted by Marrena: and enjoy the ability tremendously (although of course keeping it secret, as it drives men bananas).

Yes, I would love a woman like that. Women orgasming constantly is such a turn on for me, and I don't care if I have much to do with causing it directly, but I certainly would appreciate sharing in part of it.

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Originally posted by Marrena: It's funny, with the way I am now I can have second chakra sex with anyone, as casually as a handshake. I am always certain of having mind-blowing sex and multiple orgasms, and basically all I require in a partner is a friendly respect. Heart chakra orgasms require a little more, the man has to have an open-hearted warmth to him, but lots of men have that quality. But I am pretty sure that any sort of sixth chakra sex would only work with one man.

It must be nice. Perhaps I'll be able to experience something similar with women soon. That sixth chakra amygdala pop seems certainly advanced. I understand now why your fantasy is to touch foreheads.

That was really hot!

No, I have never gone to the blackout stage during sex. Although I would certainly like to try.

There's a point in the small of a woman's back that in tantra is known as the sacred spot. It's a couple inches above where the crack starts.

I think after having lots of non-ejaculatory orgasms during sex, the natural thing that a man can do is finish off with the regular sort of hot and hard sex that is so good, coming inside her. Of course oral sex is good too, but after waking up a woman's vagina so thoroughly, I think there will be a disappointment if male energy isn't released there.

I don't think it feels "sinful" because of the wasted time. I don't get the same feeling, say, wasting a week of my free time getting through a videogame. Not sure what it is, I guess the incredible strength of the pleasure.

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There's a point in the small of a woman's back that in tantra is known as the sacred spot. It's a couple inches above where the crack starts.

Wow! That's weird. I swear I was unaware of this. It's strange that I would just sense it.

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Originally posted by Marrena:I think after having lots of non-ejaculatory orgasms during sex, the natural thing that a man can do is finish off with the regular sort of hot and hard sex that is so good, coming inside her. Of course oral sex is good too, but after waking up a woman's vagina so thoroughly, I think there will be a disappointment if male energy isn't released there.

Yes, I can see your point. She said at the time she was completely happy and 'done' though. I'd say I prefer that as well.

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Originally posted by Marrena: I don't think it feels "sinful" because of the wasted time. I don't get the same feeling, say, wasting a week of my free time getting through a videogame. Not sure what it is, I guess the incredible strength of the pleasure.

Perhaps it will change for me, but I can spend tons of time if I have it in having these non-ejaculatory orgasms. When I say that I mean like 4 to 8 hours straight - maybe more. Since I'm not ejaculating I never get that final release and refractory period that tells me I'm satisfied and to stop. On the other hand when I stop I am completely worn out and often feel weak - possibly even lightheaded at times physically. Sexually I am still energized though. You mention the number of orgasms you have, but mine seem almost continuous. It is hard to tell when one ends and another begins. I suppose it does seem there are cycles of increasing and decreasing pleasure. Sometimes I get to the point where I am shaking very hard all over my body and well...sometimes basically yelling. Seems one day it was so bad I was yelling very loud and didn't seem to be able to control myself. But my point is I would have a real hard time counting these orgasms. Almost from the point I begin I start orgasming and my body begins trembling, but the longer I do it the more intense it becomes, and as I mention they do seem to be tied to cycles of higher and lower pleasure. I'm not sure if this is quite the same with you, or other women and their orgasms?

Oh, and the point of that paragraph above was with that large amount of time spent it seems 'sinful' just because it seems I should be doing my 'productive' things with my free time although I admit that being 'productive' can be a relative term, and sure we need to spend some time on ourselves as well. But as I always hear 'everything in moderation'. I'd say that the time I've been spending on it lately isn't really moderate, and I am somewhat obsessed with the feelings. I've gotten to where I skip some things I should be doing in order to pleasure myself longer. I wouldn't be surprised if our brains become addicted to the release of these chemicals and we become their slaves to some degree.

I have a forty-five minute commute, and other down times during the day--I have them when I can. It's easy for me because I don't need a device; all I have to do is flex the muscles. Also it's nice in the car because no one can hear me yell.

Although lately I haven't spent as much time with the more subtle flexing orgasms, and instead go for the more satifying CDS orgasms. This temporarily diminishes my ability to have the flexing orgasms, and in fifteen minutes at a fast stroke I can have a large number, basically one every five seconds or less.

So at this point in my life it isn't time-consuming, and is further balanced out by how easy it is for me to have clitoral orgasms. It used to take me more than half an hour to have a clitoral orgasm with a high-powered vibrator. Now I can have a clitoral orgasm in about five minutes just using my fingers. Of course I can take longer if I want with edging, but it has made things faster if I need them faster.

I have a question about male versus female orgasm. Actually it's about male versus female sex. Basically, it seems like women enjoy sex about 100 times as much as men. Basically they go crazy, unable to hold back, while the men don't seem to express much pleasure at all. What gives? Do women experience a level of pleasure magnitudes above that of men, and over and over again? That would suck. I've wondered about this a lot mostly because of a lack of pleasure in my orgasms. There is almost no pleasure to them and I always end up depressed afterwards because it's so blah, thinking "is that it?". Basically, I want to know if men are capable of having the kind of pleasure that would make us act like women act, moaning, yelling, squirming all over the place not being able to hold back expression of pleasure.